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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>For those of us that haven’t been to the air races in some time (me), or never have been, this is the layout and it shows how close the impact point was to seating. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'>Far too close. After seeing this, it’s not surprising there are so many injured, and a wonder why more were not killed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><img width=1082 height=690 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.jpg@01CC7533.594ECC60"></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> alaskarc-bounces@lists.alaskarc.org [mailto:alaskarc-bounces@lists.alaskarc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Marty Hall<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2011 11:24 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'ARCS mailing list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AlaskaRC] Crash at Reno Air Races<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'>Wonder how many conversation like this are going on right now…. LOTS of speculation going on. There’s probably a lot more pictures and video taken than we’ll ever see and maybe that’ll help NTSB correctly determine what happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> alaskarc-bounces@lists.alaskarc.org [mailto:alaskarc-bounces@lists.alaskarc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bob@jetmodeler.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> ARCS mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AlaskaRC] Crash at Reno Air Races<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:44.65pt'>Total agreement, Doug...at least until it's otherwise proven or some other point of relevance comes to fore.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:44.65pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:44.65pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Douglas Leamon [mailto:yukonav8r@gmail.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2011 09:04 AM<br><b>To:</b> ''ARCS mailing list''<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AlaskaRC] Crash at Reno Air Races</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;margin-left:1.0in' id=201179><tr><td width="99%" valign=top style='width:99.24%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>This is just a guess….if the trim tab failed and set up a sever flutter, the resulting structural loads could created other failures in rapid succession, which may have included a failure or inadvertent release of the tail wheel uplock mechanism. Regardless the entire event happened in a matter of seconds. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Do you remember the loss of the aileron counter weight on the DeHavilland Beaver out of Talkeetna? The flutter event only lasted a few seconds before the pilot got the aircraft under control. The damage was so severe, the aircraft was considered a hull loss after it was inspected. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Doug Leamon</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> alaskarc-bounces@lists.alaskarc.org [mailto:alaskarc-bounces@lists.alaskarc.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bob@jetmodeler.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> ARCS mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AlaskaRC] Crash at Reno Air Races</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I don't recall if it's a servo tab or a trim tab...or both.<br><br>Another photo shows the tail wheel extended just before the crash. The tail wheel was retracted during the race (I saw this in another video), which could mean a number of things...but it is definitely not normal.<br><br>Here's the photo.<br>http://i.imgur.com/QuAnm.jpg<br>.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 3.0pt;margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b> Marty Hall [mailto:mjhall@alaskarcs.com]<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 17, 2011 08:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'ARCS mailing list'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AlaskaRC] Crash at Reno Air Races</span><o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%;background:white;background-position-x:0%;background-position-y:0%;background-attachment:scroll' id=201179><tr><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>I don't remember... Is that a flying tab or a trim tab ? If it's a flying tab your probably. If you could get control back, you'd need a lot more altitude than he had.<br><br>Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Sep 16, 2011, at 22:56, <a href="mailto:bob@jetmodeler.com" target="_blank">bob@jetmodeler.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>This is a close up of the tail of the P-51 as it approached the high end of its arc during the crash sequence.<br><br><a href="http://media.graytvinc.com/images/plane+enlarged.jpg" target="_blank">http://media.graytvinc.com/images/plane+enlarged.jpg</a><br><br>At the speed he was traveling, there is no way that the pilot could overcome the adverse elevator forces involved with the loss of the trim tab.<o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=3 cellpadding=0 width="100%" style='width:100.0%' id=201179><tr><td width="100%" valign=top style='width:100.0%;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'></td></tr></table></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><images.jpeg><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>AlaskaRC mailing list<br><a href="mailto:AlaskaRC@lists.alaskarc.org" target="_blank">AlaskaRC@lists.alaskarc.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.alaskarc.org/mailman/listinfo/alaskarc" target="_blank">http://lists.alaskarc.org/mailman/listinfo/alaskarc</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:44.65pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></div></body></html>